#1 08-01-2016 1:08 pm

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August Competition Brainstorming Thread

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#2 08-01-2016 2:58 pm

acolors
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

Well I could not help it to paint that picture in your heads
A place of action ........hmm .... let say somewhere in the kitchen
So,
poor Aristotle is puzzled by a philosophical dilemma
which came first, a chicken or an egg when watching his wife preparing a meal.
Unfortunately for him he is thinking out loud. (rather slowly talking to himself)
His
resolutely, DECISIVE & energetic as well kind of bossy wife
(do not forget those character quality include in your animation)
wife has a simpler approach to his problem especially
on an empty stomach just before a meal .....lol
She solves puzzle quickly furthermore
she is ready for NEXT of his bizarre questions.
.
bone appetite everybody
oops  !!!
I mean bon appetit
LOL
Ps.
RyanHagen you rules & rocks .....thanx for starting this thread first before anybody
We also got August Competition 2016 without any delays
I'm impressed >yikes)))
cheers
Ps Ps
for those who do not know where/what a transcript for August is:

Voice 1: Is this for real? Is this really happening?

Voice 2: I got this. I think what we need to consider here is what came first.
We have a chicken, and there was an egg, but before that there was another chicken…

Voice 1: Kill the chicken, I’ll eat it for dinner. Next!

from Galavant which I did not watch (99% I watch animation)
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#3 08-01-2016 7:16 pm

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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

So I went ahead and found the episode that the clip comes from.  The female voice is a queen and the male voice is her up-and-coming king.  They're discussing a squabble between two peasants that was brought to their attention when one of their chickens laid an egg right in between their property lines, and apparently they argued over whose egg it rightfully was until it hatched and grew into a new chicken.

The queen solves the problem by removing the problem.

I was kind of hoping there was some clever metaphor in the source material that was alluding to the chicken-and-egg adage, but you really have to just go with it.

I'm thinking maybe there's an up-and-coming farming start up, or a laboratory, that's trying to solve a similarly staged incident involving a chicken.

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#4 08-02-2016 12:21 pm

SeanSummers95
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

Hey for this August competition I was thinking this scene could be about a traditional pet show and a guy brings his pet chicken. I think this is kind of funny because in these pet show they are normally cats or dogs.

Half a second could show a sign saying pet show. to set up the scene.

Character 1: Is this for real? Is this really happening? (Women holding a clip board with a confused expression)

Character 2: I got this. I think what we need to consider here is what came first.
We have a chicken, and there was an egg, but before that there was another chicken… (Man trying to explain why his chicken should be in a pet show. He uses his hands expressively)


Character 1: Kill the chicken, I’ll eat it for dinner. Next! (Women tilts head back as she says "Kill the chicken". Then Walks away.)

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#5 08-03-2016 2:59 am

Shao Wen Tan
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

My idea is 2 man were trying to pawn their chicken in a pawnshop, one of them was trying to act smart so that they can pawn the chicken with higher price. As he do so the pawnbroker rejects them sarcastically.

Feel free to use this idea if you like it.

Last edited by Shao Wen Tan (08-03-2016 3:47 pm)

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#6 08-03-2016 10:47 am

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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

VanFalco wrote:

I was kind of hoping there was some clever metaphor in the source material that was alluding to the chicken-and-egg adage, but you really have to just go with it.

I'm thinking maybe there's an up-and-coming farming start up, or a laboratory, that's trying to solve a similarly staged incident involving a chicken.

@ VanFalco
Yeah I like your laboratory idea, good one.
BTW  you really do not have to just go with it, you cam always twist it
I always try to give the audio a new meaning.
Well
it is always good to know where the audio comes from
but
I treat audio clips as independent units taken out of context.
That is why I had to protest about
the 11 Second Club March 2016 Competition
where a mother encourages her daughter drinking at home.
After all
when people watch finished animation with a provided audio
they do not know (they do not have to know) where the audio comes from.
So
for me (& I guess a lot of viewers) it is not really important
a source of the audio. I just look how members here
interpreted the sound/audio by their way of animating it.
The audio & video (animation) become a new product of animators imagination
not really connected to the source.
That's the fun of it
.
@ SeanSummers95
perhaps it could be more interesting/ funnier when he brings a chicken
&
an egg to that pet show as well . You know the egg as a pet (wink wink).
BTW you say:
"in these pet show they are normally cats or dogs."
I say
they are a lot of different animals in pet show including human ZOO ....lol
You have a good idea.
.
@ Shao Wen Tan
so ok you have 3 characters in your idea. Now can you elaborate which one
says what. I'm a little bit lost here.
cheers
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#7 08-03-2016 3:38 pm

Shao Wen Tan
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

@ acolors

2 man were trying to pawn their chicken in a pawnshop, one of them was trying to act smart so that they can pawn the chicken with higher price. As he do so the pawnbroker rejects them sarcastically.

Character 1: Is this for real? Is this really happening? (Pawnbroker looks at the two man with disbelieve.)

Character 2: I got this. I think what we need to consider here is what came first.
We have a chicken, and there was an egg, but before that there was another chicken… (One of the man steps in front of his friend as he thinks he can handle the situation better. )


Character 1: Kill the chicken, I’ll eat it for dinner. Next! (Pawnbroker reject them with a sarcastic reply.)

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#8 08-03-2016 11:17 pm

CaptainBezier
Registered: 07-04-2016
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

I don't see why, it might have been the "next!" at the end, but I got a sort of a "theatrical audition" vibe from the whole thing, and I am considering taking that route. Say, voice #2 is on the stage, trying to explain something he had just said, and voice #1, in the seats, discards his point with the comment about eating the chicken.

Just throwing ideas out there, really.

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#9 08-04-2016 9:23 am

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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

@ Shao Wen Tan
got it ....so 2 man were trying to pawn their chicken in a pawnshop
but only one is talking with the pawnbroker.
You introduce the silent man (character) which you have to animate
as well....he cannot stand motionless so looks like more work for you.
That can be interesting to see what you do with it,
if you decide to pursue this idea.
.
@ CaptainBezier
Yeah, that might work. Just hang some banner in the b/g eg:
" Auditions Today" or
"Theatrical Audition Today"
& give a visible number eg: "157" on the chest of a contestant (voice 2 in your case)
You can even go for "contestant # 157" to make clear for viewers where we are.  I think.
Voice 1 the casting director can be seated or standing in front of the contestant
even on the same stage, s/he doesn't have to be in the seats.
That gives you closer relationship between 2 (two) characters.
It is up to you, perhaps you want to put a distant between the contestant
and the casting director. I do not know.
Actually, Voice 1 fits well as the energetic, unhappy, judgmental & bossy casting director
screaming "NEXT" at the end.
I like that idea of the audition.
cheers
Ps.
You can play with lighting a lot as it is a stage in a life theatre if you are doing it in 3d.
Remember good light & rendering in 3d looks nice & it can add to your clip visually,
BUT
animation, poses, acting ect. of your characters are the most important here
without those, someone beautiful rendering & lighting don't mean much.
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#10 08-04-2016 2:32 pm

Sti0
Registered: 08-02-2016
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

Hello there smile So this will be my first attempt for the 11 second club competition! I hope this is the right place to post this question.
I have been trying to put down a couple of ideas but I always come across the same thought...
Considering I will be animating in 3D, I realize that to inform the context of my ideas I need to have certain props. My knowledge in modelling / rigging / texturing / lighting are limited to non existent but I am willing to go ahead and look up for tutorials on how to  do so. However, this seems to delay a lot the animation itself. For this reason I am trying to simplify the ideas as much as possible and focus more on the acting and performance instead.
I was wondering, how do people approach this? For example, how can I go ahead and stage the acting in a location that I would have to model, texture, light etc.. Do you find the models online to save time? Do you mainly avoid them to simplify the overall outcome and focus on performance?
@acolors
I noticed you suggested the nice lighting at the stage for @ CaptainBezier which I would agree that would really add to the animation visually. Nevertheless, this is an example of my concern on how important is it to have other well established and rendered visuals around? Especially if they are needed to inform the context of the animation? What is your process usually if I may ask?

Also, @ CaptainBezier, a suggestion for your idea..
What if it is a music contest and the contestant is actually a chicken who enters the stage? The conversation happens between the judge and the moderator who allows entrance to the contestants. The chicken would probably add a third animation there but with smart cuts you could keep it to a minimum and keep the conversation between the other two. The moderator tries to calmly explain why he let the chicken take part in the competition .. tongue

All ideas sound so interesting ! Really excited to see them by the end of this month ^_^

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#11 08-04-2016 10:35 pm

CaptainBezier
Registered: 07-04-2016
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

@acolors Thanks for the suggestions! Yes, I have begun working on the models and set for the animation (I'm a student, want to use my own stuff all the time to help develop) and I think I will incorporate those ideas. I really like lighting and have a history with theatre so I will surely be focusing on that.

@Sti0 I'm still new around here so I can't answer your questions, but yeah I have considered having the contestant holding a chicken, and possibly an egg, offering some speculation as to what was happening before the beginning of the scene.

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#12 08-05-2016 2:26 am

Shao Wen Tan
Registered: 07-31-2016
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

@ acolors
Actually I'm not gonna participate for this month entry as I have other stuffs to work on, I just simply provide idea for anyone who might interested to joint. Anyway thanks for the feedback! :-)

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#13 08-05-2016 11:30 am

acolors
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Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

acolors wrote:

You can play with lighting a lot as it is a stage in a life theatre if you are doing it in 3d.
Remember good light & rendering in 3d looks nice & it can add to your clip visually,
BUT
animation, poses, acting ect. of your characters are the most important here
without those, someone beautiful rendering & lighting don't mean much.

@Sti0
I do not think you read my post here to the end.  There is a quote above..

I do not know what software you are using but Maya is the industry standard.
If you have plans to be a professional 3d animator I would learn Maya.
Me I'm doing this for fun. I had a crash course in 2d & 3d animation
a loooooong time ago. Yes, both 2 & 3d at the same course ...crazy ! It was !
Anybody remembers 3D Studio MAX R2 (wink,wink) I hated it for it
stiffness in animation & plastic clean looking character & b/g.
I see a lot of progress in 3d since then.
Anyway,
to become a 3d animator read this
(good tips you can most definitely apply them to competitions here as well).
I cannot find the link in our forum, but basically a person who works for a
studio says do animation forget about pretty rendering, lighting & backgrounds.
OR read this
topic that can interest you in title:
"So you graduated from an Animation School... now what?"
http://www.11secondclub.com/forum/viewt … p?id=29934
.
To participate in competitions read this:
about rules
http://www.11secondclub.com/competitions/current
I quote:
"In order to spend the majority of your time on the animation, please avoid spending a lot of time on lighting/rendering/etc.
Do have fun!
.
have a look at winners & their clips what they have & what they not have.
http://www.11secondclub.com/competitions
.
about rigs & hints ect.
http://www.11secondclub.com/resources
http://www.11secondclub.com/forum/viewt … pid=190552
http://www.11secondclub.com/forum/viewt … p?id=30465
http://www.11secondclub.com/forum/viewt … p?id=29972
http://www.11secondclub.com/forum/viewt … p?id=29236
http://www.11secondclub.com/forum/viewt … p?id=11396
You find more links to free rigs just use a search button here or google.
.
For more info use search you can find many answers to your questions
in previous posts & topics.
11secondclub is full of good info exchange by members helping each others
http://www.11secondclub.com/forum/search.php
.
If I were you I'd use ready made & rigged characters & I'd concentrate
on animating them. All competitions here are about character animations
mainly, backgrounds lighting, rendering are secondary bonuses to your clip.
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have a animating journey in the spectacular animation world.
cheers
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#14 08-05-2016 2:36 pm

Sti0
Registered: 08-02-2016
Posts: 2

Re: August Competition Brainstorming Thread

@acolors
I did read the post to the end. Apologies, I initially mentioned that obviously the performance is THE key but then deleted it as I wanted to direct the question towards the concern of the visuals.
Yes, I will be using Maya. I have recently graduated and I have been looking forward to stepping into the community of 11SC and its competition. I think what I have been trying to express was my worry on how important the visuals are and how do other people approach it in each month's competition.
I have read through a lot of the posts and your reply here re-enforces my thought about it and boosts my confidence to just go for it with a joy and eye in animating the performance.
Very much appreciated and all the best big_smile

@CaptainBezier
Cannot wait to see what you'll come up with and I wish you all the best !!

Happy animating!!! smile

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