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#276 02-17-2012 2:55 am
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Re: Devils, Angels & Dating - CG Short

What skills are worth recruiting for? Read about it here:
http://devilsangelsanddating.ning.com/p … stribution
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#277 03-21-2012 2:35 am
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Re: Devils, Angels & Dating - CG Short
This is a look at most of the layers of effects compositing that goes into a shot with the Devils fire and wand.
http://devilsangelsanddating.ning.com/v … -horrified
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#278 03-25-2012 2:57 pm
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Re: Devils, Angels & Dating - CG Short
Released from the vault. Here's a look at the reasons behind some of the shots being dropped over the course of the film.
Find more Behind the Scenes videos here:
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#279 03-28-2012 2:03 am
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Re: Devils, Angels & Dating - CG Short
Devils is in an article about crowd funding for animated shorts in issue 155 of 3D World.
http://www.3dworldmag.com/2012/03/23/he … issue-155/
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#280 04-04-2012 3:08 am
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Re: Devils, Angels & Dating - CG Short
Here's a Director's Commentary. I recorded this at reduced speed playback so that there was more time to talk. Enjoy!
http://devilsangelsanddating.ning.com/v … the-scenes
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#281 04-10-2012 2:45 am
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Hay Michael congratulations to you and yours on a job well done. Wish I could have joined in on the fun but with time restraints it was not to be but I did enjoy watching the progression and thank you for your time to keep the rest of us on the benches informed and updated to as to the current statues of the project.
The only question I have at the moment is the ever popular “if you had to do it all over again would you?†![]()
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#282 04-10-2012 4:16 am
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Good question... I'm going to guess you're contemplating it yourself, or you know someone that is. If I have a choice.... ask me again in a year. Simply put it's going to take time to see what the real impact of a project this big is. Already it's lead to better jobs for a large number of our best team members, so from that perspective it's fulfilled its main requirement. Of course it's also very likely there's a shorter route to that than making an entire film. Obviously the other team members didn't commit as much time as I did so they get more value out of what they put in. My commitment is yet to be evaluated in full. Talking to other short film makers years after the fuss has died down it's not always proved to be that rewarding, but it really depends on what the individual is like and how successful they are at assessing the best opportunities and taking advantage of them. Some already have their foot in the door somewhere meaningful and they have used their films to leverage great opportunities, most haven't really taken full advantage of the opportunities as they over estimate what they can get and wait too long for something that might never come. I think there's a middle ground that an experienced industry professionally can steer towards to get the best out of it without their expectations getting too unrealistic. That's where I'd put myself, and from that perspective it's already a success.
But I think for those considering doing something like this, they really need to assess their experience in virtually all areas of production first. If they don't cover most areas to a high level then they probably shouldn't be trying to make an entire film. It's going to be far more work than most people expect.
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#283 04-10-2012 5:41 pm
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Well the reason I asked is I’m currently working on a team based project where my original involvement was limited to a few sub-projects that needed attending to as more of a get-things-rolling and general clean up and the more I worked on it the more my free time was being taken up based on the demands of the project.
I assume as a lead you had the same experiences where there were times that the needs of moving the project forward took priority over anything even though the ideal is it’s just something to do in your free time.
So now that it’s done what are your plans? I assume that you’re not going to toss it up on YouTube and call it a day.
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#284 04-10-2012 11:34 pm
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Yup... you could say that! ![]()
Indeed the needs to the project frequently overtake other priorities like... animating, and having a life. Only you can decide what's important to you.
The film is up on YouTube of course and it has been throughout the project... officially going online with the final version on the 4th of January. It's also being sent to festivals, but they were never as important to this project as the online release. We probably won't get into as many festivals as other films, as they like premieres (so that they can sell tickets). But showing the film (and all our shots in reels) was more important to our team than any festival screenings or awards.
I've just taken a new job, which I'm not going to go into here... but that's keeping me busy right now.
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#285 04-12-2012 9:24 pm
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Cool
Since this was a project that was more about involvement than result I’m going to assume that the production schedule was heavily influenced by the individuals working on the project in their free time.
If that being the case, using the same resources you had access during the course of the project, how much sooner or longer do you feel would it have taken if you had full charge of the scheduling?
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#286 04-12-2012 11:38 pm
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Well obviously it was about results... as we got it finished... a pretty rare thing for volunteer shorts!
I'm not quite clear on what you're asking next though. I pretty much did have control over the schedule... as much as you can with a volunteer remote team. If you're saying how long would it take with paid people onsite, then maybe around a year... but it really depends on the studio, the people, etc... Too many factors to guess. I would have liked to have finished the film a year earlier, but there were the usual unanticipated delays... models, rigs, tools, story changes, people leaving the team, people taking jobs and putting their assignments on hold, etc... Actually what delays things the most are those people that take an assignment then don't follow through but also don't give it up. If someone just says they're out, it's fine... the assignment goes to someone else and things keep moving forward (with maybe a little step back). But waiting for someone to tell you they're out or doing their assignment is what really slows things down. Add a year to your schedule for that kind of stuff, unless you can be brutal enough to just cut people off as soon as they don't respond to your emails.
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#287 04-21-2012 2:35 pm
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http://devilsangelsanddating.ning.com/behindthescenes
Shortly after the release of the film I thought it was worth trying to use a pay-wall to raise a little extra funds for the festival circuit costs. A few people did chip-in but not nearly enough to make it worth holding back the content for too long. The feature also has a monthly cost, and without enough contributors it wasn't even covering itself. So turning off the paywall actually saves money. I held off for as long as I felt it was worthwhile, but it was time to stop paying for a feature that was costing more than it was making. The website itself is still costing money to keep it going but not as much. That will stay up, as promised, for some time to come.
On a related note, I've accepted a full time job again. With an income again the costs and donations related to the running of this site and the festival run are put into perspective and it's not worth putting in the time to chance them much. This goes back to one of my earliest tips related to making a short film... a day job is a far more efficient source of funding than any grants, donations or Kickstarter campaigns.
Thank you to all those that have donated. But now it's time for me to earn back all those spent savings.
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#288 05-04-2012 3:11 am
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Re: Devils, Angels & Dating - CG Short
Devils got a 2 page spread in 3D World Magazine
http://devilsangelsanddating.ning.com/p … age-spread
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#289 05-04-2012 8:24 am
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Hey that's blurry. Do I need to get glasses now or is someone else having that problem too? ![]()
Congrats on the 3DWM article, btw ![]()
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#290 05-11-2012 12:52 pm
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Re: Devils, Angels & Dating - CG Short
Devils will be screening at the California International Animation Festival
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#291 06-29-2012 1:02 pm
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Re: Devils, Angels & Dating - CG Short
A little update:
http://devilsangelsanddating.ning.com/p … on-youtube
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#292 07-23-2012 2:54 pm
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Devils has been accepted into five festivals so far, with several more recently writing to me to ask for the film to be entered. As a real treat it'll be at the HollyShorts Festival in Grauman's Chinese Theatre on the Walk of Fame on the 16th of August. I'll be there, and I'll be at the Awards ceremony. If there are any film makers in the area that want to hook up let me know.
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#293 08-24-2012 3:57 pm
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Devils has passed half a million views on YouTube. It's screening at quite a few festivals, it's nominated for Best in Festival at one, won an Award for Animation at another and there's more to come... I'm sure! For everyone else doing a collaborative project... keep up the hard work and have faith.
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#294 09-16-2012 1:09 pm
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Devils just won an Award for "Animated Short Film" at the Burbank Film Festival
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#295 09-16-2012 8:56 pm
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Whoop! It seems this was definitely worth the time, sweat and blood (hopefully only literally
) you put into this?
Congratulation!
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#296 09-17-2012 10:19 pm
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I quite enjoyed the story myself, very interesting concept. Congratulations
The Graph Editor is your best friend when animating and polishing work.
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