That's ok, Ranfart, your work shows you've got a good grasp of human anatomy, so I know it's in good hands!

By the way, here's the woman with the 'matured' face on her body. Note that I reduced the size of her head quite a bit.

DanCe3d wrote:

Uncle11.. I think the eyes are too close together.. it kinda looses its appeal..

That's ok, I'm just throwing in ideas. Seeing what happens. I just thought it might have a bit too much 'baby' features, which of course is the cause of its cuteness.

Hope we don't drive Ranfart nuts!

Thanks Uncle11

I heard that it's better to model a rig in a squat position, I don't know how true this is, but it's what I heard.

@martyn.. im pretty sure they're better off straight.. its easier to position the joints and its easier to paint skin... plus, its easier to transfer references because the start will always be the same.. jason schleifer (a famous rigger who worked at weta digital and is now at dreamworks) taught it straight and said to specifically keep it straight.. I'll take his word on that one..

Thank you Raminator...i'm here :-) so experiment without problems...i think we must sharing our impressions everybody...we must find also a good modeler and rigger...

Hmm.. I actually think the hair should be included.. but there is also another solution.. i can whip up a script that will automatically install the clothing for you so the people that done know much about maya can do that as well...

The rig will definitely be fast.. I hate animating with slow rigs as well...

DanCe3d wrote:

@martyn.. im pretty sure they're better off straight.. its easier to position the joints and its easier to paint skin... plus, its easier to transfer references because the start will always be the same.. jason schleifer (a famous rigger who worked at weta digital and is now at dreamworks) taught it straight and said to specifically keep it straight.. I'll take his word on that one..

Fair do's mate, just thought i'd heard it before tis all, I was probably mistaken.

With regards to haripal comment with keeping accessories separate I think there's something to be said on that. I'd hate to think this rig become a huge file, then if you have two or three characters per scene, plus all their accessories, blend shapes, then all the incremental saves that Maya crates, it could chew away at disk space. This is coming from someone who doesn't have too much of a grasp on the technical side of this so if what we're proposing will be small then ignore me.

Solutions to this could include (again, i don't know if any of this is possible, just throw it out there)a system that would link to the accessories with some sort of interface, importing them into the program as and when they are needed. An on-line database that generates any combination of attire needed (I envisage there being a near infinite selection of clothes/items for our rig), showing what the rig will look like wearing *that* item combination.

Of course, this is all redundant if this can all be dropped into a tidy little package available straight away.

Martyn wrote:

DanCe3d wrote:

@martyn.. im pretty sure they're better off straight.. its easier to position the joints and its easier to paint skin... plus, its easier to transfer references because the start will always be the same.. jason schleifer (a famous rigger who worked at weta digital and is now at dreamworks) taught it straight and said to specifically keep it straight.. I'll take his word on that one..

Fair do's mate, just thought i'd heard it before tis all, I was probably mistaken.

With regards to haripal comment with keeping accessories separate I think there's something to be said on that. I'd hate to think this rig become a huge file, then if you have two or three characters per scene, plus all their accessories, blend shapes, then all the incremental saves that Maya crates, it could chew away at disk space. This is coming from someone who doesn't have too much of a grasp on the technical side of this so if what we're proposing will be small then ignore me.

Solutions to this could include (again, i don't know if any of this is possible, just throw it out there)a system that would link to the accessories with some sort of interface, importing them into the program as and when they are needed. An on-line database that generates any combination of attire needed (I envisage there being a near infinite selection of clothes/items for our rig), showing what the rig will look like wearing *that* item combination.

Of course, this is all redundant if this can all be dropped into a tidy little package available straight away.

thats possible.. I thought it would be nice though to have one file that had those like bishop... If there are any updates, all you have to do is download the new stuff, then use the mel scrip that comes with it, and it sets it up for u.. heck, we could even make special clothes.. the ones with really good quality textures and designs and those would be for sale.. i dunno... up to you guys...

BTW: how do u guys like the design i posted on the previous page?.. im curious..

I really like them all, 1/3/5 have something stronger about them though, I'm not awake enough to know what right now though (that nap seemed like a brilliant idea an hour ago). Definitely appealing, congratulate the interns on a sterling effort.

Cool, if they can all be squeezed into one file then that's fine by me, and actually makes a lot more sense. I don't know if I agree for selling anything to do with it though, unless an entire industry builds up around the rig and people chose to go off on their own opening clothes stores and the ilk (ha, we can only dream).

I'm gonna throw this out there ~

I think hands are important. They need to read well. I like five finger hands...

A set to have an idea about lipsync and expressions...
The hand i think are better of five but we can put an option to do it 4 fingers..
I think can be good also to do it also two versions for different style of animation:
One cartoon (four fingers, head big, a small body etc..proportions like mickey mouse or warner...)
and another more anatomycal.
I think this are one option need in a characters, to have really a "swiss knyfe" for every kind of animation and reel...