#1 03-26-2014 7:48 pm

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New Tom and Jerry Show

They've released a trailer for the new Tom and Jerry Show, on Cartoon Network soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQsQsbPB8w

Any thoughts? Personally I weep at the loss of so much soul. This has about 1/100th of the charm of the original series. By today's standards, I guess it's "fine" but when compared to what once was it's an atrocity.

Like, what the heck is THIS?
http://www.fredthemonkey.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tomjerrymess.png

How does something like that end up in a professionally created animation? It's a mess!


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#2 03-26-2014 7:57 pm

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Re: New Tom and Jerry Show

At least they're not fighting crime together.


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#3 03-26-2014 8:50 pm

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This sounds like moneymoneymoney, because the network bosses think the kids wont realize bad animation anyways.

You just can't substitute a Chuck Jones at the prime of cartoon shorts with anything they do today. But to be fair, this is by far better than that limited carp they raped Tom and Jerry in the 70's with.

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#4 03-26-2014 9:12 pm

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Re: New Tom and Jerry Show

Someone should bring back Herman and Katnip.


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#5 03-26-2014 10:49 pm

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i wish cartoons these days used real instrumental music and not computerized beats, those loony toon and Hanna Barbera tom n Jerry music is embedded in my mind.. 2days cartoon simply can't match that.
And feel like my avatar <---- there has more life to it than that trailer... neutral

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#6 03-26-2014 11:27 pm

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8-bit Katnip

(standard result of being smashed by a wrecking ball, frozen in a block of ice and then run over by a lawn mower)


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#7 03-26-2014 11:54 pm

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I've seen a few boards of this new Tom & Jerry show (at Cartoon Brew I guess), they looked pretty decent I must say.

The final product, on the other hand...

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#8 03-27-2014 12:05 am

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Does anybody here watch the Cartoon Network programming? What are the redeeming qualities of Uncle Grandpa? What are the good points in their line-up? Is their stuff supposed to make sense, or is the purpose just to fill the airspace between the adds? Does anybody here work for the Cartoon Network, maybe you can provide some insight into how the Network chooses to produce such stuff.


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#9 03-27-2014 1:28 am

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Re: New Tom and Jerry Show

PivotGeek wrote:

And feel like my avatar <---- there has more life to it than that trailer... neutral

I couldn't agree more. Now that's some animation right there.

Omegaman wrote:

Does anybody here watch the Cartoon Network programming?

I haven't watched it much since Foster's went off the air, and even then it was barely. The last time I was really GLUED to the Cartoon Network was, ironically, when they used to run re-runs of actual Looney Tunes and such. I wish they'd do that again.

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#10 03-27-2014 1:16 pm

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I watched CN when Johnny Bravo, Dexters Lab and Cow and Chicken was running, in the late 90's, but then they transformed it to payTV and I haven't seen anything of CN until January this year, and boy was I disappointed hmm

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#11 03-27-2014 1:28 pm

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That was about the worst trailer I've ever seen for a cartoon. There was literally nothing in that video that made me want to watch it. All I saw was smack, crack, and carp.


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#12 03-27-2014 4:45 pm

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I absolutely hated this trailer. Tom and Jerry look artificial, colors are wrong, sound is terrible. They removed the essence, everything what Tom and Jerry really is about. The problem is kids probably won't know the difference, but this is .... uhhhh


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#13 03-27-2014 7:51 pm

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I dunno... the original Tom & Jerry were pretty much all about beating each other senseless. That looks like what the new trailer is all about too.

But after "Itchy & Scratchy" it's going to be tough to reclaim that niche.


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#14 03-27-2014 10:51 pm

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Is it me, or is it that every time these studios try to revive or recreate an old cartoon and bring it into the modern era it winds up being worse than the original?

Now, about the trailer: The style looks too flat, just look at the test tubes and such. There are no lines on the characters, except for maybe when some body parts overlay on top of each other. And what's with all the smack, crack and other fighting sound effects? Obviously the creators know nothing about Tom & Jerry and are just trying to make their own interpretation. (And not a very good one)

As for Cartoon Network… and maybe other big studios… they've completely lost it. If they actually did some real market research, and not just look at what's popular on YouTube, maybe things might be different. Even my niece questions why all the stupid shows stay on the air, while all the better ones go by the wayside. You know the programming on these networks are bad when even kids don't want to watch these shows.


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#15 03-27-2014 11:51 pm

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Re: New Tom and Jerry Show

LanceITP wrote:

Is it me, or is it that every time these studios try to revive or recreate an old cartoon and bring it into the modern era it winds up being worse than the original?

I guess most of the times yeah, but John K's recreation of the Jetsons and Yogi Bear and also The Twisted Tales of Felix the Cat are pretty amazing. I don't know if I would say that John K's recreations are better than the original stuff, I probably wouldn't, but I surely prefer The Twisted Tales of Felix the Cat to the original Felix the Cat (please don't kill me big_smile).

We must always remember that production systems, demands, artistic views and society itself (among many other elements) changed a lot from the "Golden Age of Animation" to what we have nowadays, so this is always a very delicate and far from simple comparison/discussion.

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Re: New Tom and Jerry Show

LanceITP wrote:

Is it me, or is it that every time these studios try to revive or recreate an old cartoon and bring it into the modern era it winds up being worse than the original?

I have yet to see a single remake/reboot be better than the original it was based off of. Thundercats was close, but it didn't really get time to find it's groove since it was cancelled because... it was too good? I don't know. But really, Thundercats (original) was pretty lousy to start with, if we're going to be honest. I grew up with it, but it wasn't very good truthfully. So the new Thundercats didn't have to try very hard to do better.

GuyCx wrote:

We must always remember that production systems, demands, artistic views and society itself (among many other elements) changed a lot from the "Golden Age of Animation" to what we have nowadays, so this is always a very delicate and far from simple comparison/discussion.

I think it's a very simple comparison: Animation today sucks compared to animation of the Golden Age. Just straight up objectively it is not as good. It's not hard to compare, and it's not even close. I don't think it has much to do with "Artistic views" or "society" either, it has to do with greedy executives farming out anything they can and cutting as many costs as possible. Though honestly at this point I don't know if animators today could DO what the old fellows did back then. I don't know if they have that skill (because they've never been pushed, they don't have the time, budget, or directors to do it).

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#17 03-28-2014 5:46 am

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LanceITP wrote:

Is it me, or is it that every time these studios try to revive or recreate an old cartoon and bring it into the modern era it winds up being worse than the original?

I thought of one!

The new direct-to-video "Scooby-Doo" movies they've been making since about 2000 are better-written, better-acted and better-animated than the originals from the 70's. i admit that was a low bar to surpass.

I've only seen about three of them but I get the sense that someone in charge understood the characters and what the right amount of self-parody would be.

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#18 03-28-2014 12:42 pm

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Yeah, but wait. Those are movies vs. TV, that's a little unfair, no? Also I think Scooby falls into that same "Thundercats" category, where the original wasn't that great to begin with. Scooby Doo was done with a lot of shortcuts on purpose, like Rocky and Bullwinkle and the like. By the 70s the Golden Age was pretty much over, and we were experiencing the same "get it done quick as you can" mentality that is so prevalent today.

Thanks for the videos, though. I had no idea someone was producing some actually decent quality animated Scooby Doo stuff these days! There are glimpses of very nice work in those clips. (Wish they could get better voice acting, though...)


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#19 03-28-2014 3:59 pm

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Those are movies vs. TV, that's a little unfair, no?

TV... direct-to-video... it's like a made-for-TV movie which is pretty low.  They probably showed first on CN.



Yes, Scooby Doo does come from the very nadir of TV animation. You'd think there's no where to go but up, but I never doubt the ability of studio executives to ruin something.

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#20 03-28-2014 5:02 pm

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Reboot I'd like to see...

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#21 03-28-2014 5:19 pm

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swat cats reboot for me. it has everything i love, Cats and jet fighter..


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#22 03-28-2014 11:16 pm

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This does seem like a fast and shallow remake of the old classic. An unfortunate and common thing today sad

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#23 03-29-2014 1:21 am

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The strangest Tom & Jerry of all... Blue Cat Blues

Bet you can't guess who the voice of Jerry is without looking it up.


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#24 03-29-2014 12:28 pm

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LanceITP wrote:

Is it me, or is it that every time these studios try to revive or recreate an old cartoon and bring it into the modern era it winds up being worse than the original?
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Generally I agree with you, except for ONE example that springs to my mind immediately:

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#25 03-29-2014 2:09 pm

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Every time i hear someone playing 12-bar blues all i can think of is that 1960's Batman theme.


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